Bill Clinton to Speak at DNC Convention

by TruthMatters, Thu Aug 07, 2008 at 07:46:14 PM EST

First Read: notes that:

rom NBC's Andrea Mitchell
NBC News has learned that the Obama campaign, in an effort to quiet talk of the Obama-Clinton drama, has offered Bill Clinton a speaking role on Wednesday night at the Democratic convention -- before the vice presidential running mate speaks.

Sources say that Clinton in fact will speak.

The campaign rushed tonight to resolve the issue after network news reports about the Clintons and Obama.

I don't care how this may look or any of the politics but this is a good thing. Hillary and Bill are very popular with a large part of this country. and when the Convention starts broadcasting live across the nation, Millions of women will see Hillary praise Obama, and then Wednesday, Bill will speak on why Obama should be elected, this will do volumes with voters.

I don't care what the MSM may say, Obama's lead has been stable since he secured the nomination. and voters are not tunning into the election yet.

but they will when the convention start, and I think having 2 nights of Clintons is a good thing.




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Re: Bill Clinton to Speak at DNC Convention (2.00 / 4)

 Did anyone else think "I wonder how long he'll speak?" after reading this (very good) news?


by QTG on Thu Aug 07, 2008 at 07:49:14 PM EST

Re: Bill Clinton to Speak at DNC Convention (none / 0)

LOL!  I assume you're talking about 1988?  Please, please Bill...10 minutes tops!


He that lives upon hope, will die fasting. -Ben Franklin
by TxDem08 on Thu Aug 07, 2008 at 08:31:03 PM EST
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I don't care how long it is... (none / 0)

...I only care about how much it helps Obama.


I attended PUMACon '08!!!
by iohs2008 on Thu Aug 07, 2008 at 09:13:03 PM EST
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Re: Bill Clinton to Speak at DNC Convention (2.00 / 1)

Yup, and maybe those loonies in Big Kitty-Ville that have some goofy nothing that the DNC gets up everday and plans how to diss the Clinton's can face reality....

Nah, that's too much to ask.

Good news, Bill AND Hillary should set the table nicely for Barrack to close the deal.


"Well the danger on the rocks is surely past... Still I remain tied to the mast"...Don Fagen, Poet and Piano Player
by WashStateBlue on Thu Aug 07, 2008 at 07:49:17 PM EST

They'll be at the Cheesecake Factory up the street (none / 0)

I think they'll be too busy cramming their pie holes and generally being outraged over all that's happened to them in life to listen to anything Bill or Hillary has to say.

But Go Bill Go. and Go Hillary! We all have to come together and realize what's best for the party now.


I attended PUMACon '08!!!
by iohs2008 on Thu Aug 07, 2008 at 09:15:25 PM EST
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Re: Bill Clinton to Speak at DNC Convention (2.00 / 3)

This act proves that the Clintons are as powerful today than ever before. Brazille, Dr. Dean, and Pelosi are most likely steaming...but...they failed and need to suck it up....


by Liberty on Thu Aug 07, 2008 at 07:52:09 PM EST

Re: Bill Clinton to Speak at DNC Convention (2.00 / 4)

huh?


by Johnny Gentle Famous Crooner on Thu Aug 07, 2008 at 08:04:17 PM EST
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Re: Bill Clinton to Speak at DNC Convention (2.00 / 1)

What don't you don't understand in respect to my commentary? It is crystal clear to me...shrug..


by Liberty on Thu Aug 07, 2008 at 08:06:33 PM EST
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Re: Bill Clinton to Speak at DNC Convention (2.00 / 3)

Yes, the words form a complete sentence, but I was amused by the sheer insanity of it.


by Johnny Gentle Famous Crooner on Thu Aug 07, 2008 at 08:14:01 PM EST
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Re: Bill Clinton to Speak at DNC Convention (2.00 / 1)

I am happy to amuse you....you can bet Brazille and company aren't amused tonight...HAHAHA!


by Liberty on Thu Aug 07, 2008 at 08:15:44 PM EST
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Re: Bill Clinton to Speak at DNC Convention (2.00 / 1)

You better be careful...I'll bet Howard Dean and Donna Brazille are hiding under your bed, waiting to punish you for your attitude. Or maybe they're hiding in your closet. Oh wait...that's them behind you in your bathroom mirror!


by Johnny Gentle Famous Crooner on Thu Aug 07, 2008 at 08:20:11 PM EST
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Re: Bill Clinton to Speak at DNC Convention (2.00 / 1)

you are giving the Clinton's way too much credit, most people don't give a damn if they do or do not participate in the convention.  I will only tune in on the last night when Obama is in front of 75,000 people with his bad ass speech in tow.


by hocuspocus on Thu Aug 07, 2008 at 08:20:34 PM EST
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Re: Bill Clinton to Speak at DNC Convention (none / 0)

Sure...hahaha..Obama caved...the end of story.


by Liberty on Thu Aug 07, 2008 at 08:22:44 PM EST
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Re: Bill Clinton to Speak at DNC Convention (none / 0)

Yes Obama caved to.... a speech!  That'll show the Obamacons, he didn't have the power to stop Bill from giving a speech!!!!

Your hatred for the Obama's is noted.


by hocuspocus on Thu Aug 07, 2008 at 08:27:05 PM EST
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Re: Bill Clinton to Speak at DNC Convention (2.00 / 4)

That was a very odd comment, as if Obama didn't intend to include the Clintons, something there's NO evidence for whatsoever.  All of this was part of a negotiation to deal with a variety of topics, including the delegates and the debt. With this, look for Clinton to start saying that she's not interested in having her name put in nomination.  

They are all adults who can see their own interests and the interests of the party and they made a deal.

Chortling about it and seeing it as a cave-in demonstrates a lack of political sophistication.


We care about politics because we know politics matters for people's lives and opportunities.
by politicsmatters on Thu Aug 07, 2008 at 08:27:12 PM EST
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Re: Bill Clinton to Speak at DNC Convention (none / 0)

Sure...unsophisticated...sure...


by Liberty on Thu Aug 07, 2008 at 08:29:08 PM EST
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Re: Bill Clinton to Speak at DNC Convention (none / 0)

?


We should be able to deliver bottled hot water to dehydrated babies.
by Jess81 on Thu Aug 07, 2008 at 08:30:45 PM EST
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Re: Bill Clinton to Speak at DNC Convention (none / 0)

well, at least you admit it..

First step toward recovery...


Like the nominee, don't like the nominee... Our nominee is still better than John McCain...
by JenKinFLA on Thu Aug 07, 2008 at 08:31:10 PM EST
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Re: Bill Clinton to Speak at DNC Convention (2.00 / 3)

"With this, look for Clinton to start saying that she's not interested in having her name put in nomination."

This is not going to be especially nice, but I'm bone tired and really quite impatient with the stupidity and self-possession of politicians throughout the world. Neither Barrack Obama, Hillary Clinton, nor Bill Clinton are included in that category.


You should really label the above statement as pure speculation that does nothing to make any registered voter feel good about voting for Obama.

 Also, while we're discussing NO evidence for whatsoever, how about providing evidence that having Bill Clinton speaking at the DNC was part of a negotiation involving the delegates and the debt. So being politically sophisticated is the opposite of perceiving Bill Clinton's speaking as an Obama cave-in? That sounds more like cynicism has infiltrated deep tissue to me.

It's not a cave in. As you acknowledge, there was no evidence that Obama had any intention of not including Bill or Hillary Clinton. None. You have no inside information on any deals that have been made. As usual per all your posts, you just want to express your anti-Clinton sentiment while "educating" us. You have no idea who Obama will chose as VP, nor a clue as to what we can expect Hillary Clinton to do besides campaigning for Obama in NV tomorrow. Then in other parts of the country. Because she supports Obama, whether or not she gets chosen as VP.

I am so glad you don't have any official position in the Obama campaign. So far I've met almost 1,000 Americans in Mexico who are huge Hillary and Bill Clinton supporters. Someone at the conference actually alerted me to your post to chuckle about the drama/no drama/hackfest still being promoted by some people.

Let it go already. Obama will choose his VP. We'll all be happy, except for maybe a few people who just can't let it go. If it's Hillary, great. If it's Reed, great. Biden would be great, etc. Okay, let's review the lesson we've learned: Stop the drama.


Barack Obama is my President
by Jeter on Thu Aug 07, 2008 at 09:31:51 PM EST
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Re: Bill Clinton to Speak at DNC Convention (none / 0)

My evidence comes from this morning's First Read as well as numerous other media reports about the topics under negotiation between the Clintons and Obama.


We care about politics because we know politics matters for people's lives and opportunities.
by politicsmatters on Thu Aug 07, 2008 at 10:17:37 PM EST
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Re: Bill Clinton to Speak at DNC Convention (none / 0)

Give me a quote... even one attributed to someone other than an anonymous blogger wherein Obama says there is no place for B.C. to speak at the convention and I will agree with you about "caving"

Go ahead and search...  I'll wait.


Like the nominee, don't like the nominee... Our nominee is still better than John McCain...
by JenKinFLA on Thu Aug 07, 2008 at 08:29:39 PM EST
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Re: Bill Clinton to Speak at DNC Convention (none / 0)

Unsophisticated individuals such as myself, polically or otherwise, are incapable of providing hard evidence to the cave-in....


by Liberty on Thu Aug 07, 2008 at 08:31:56 PM EST
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Re: Bill Clinton to Speak at DNC Convention (2.00 / 2)

What cave-in?

How bizarre would it be if Bill Clinton didn't speak at the national convention?


We should be able to deliver bottled hot water to dehydrated babies.
by Jess81 on Thu Aug 07, 2008 at 08:35:26 PM EST
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Jess (none / 0)

It's just that an ex-President shouldn't be speaking on the third night.  Unless of course he's doing some pass the torch moment.  I thought Ted Kennedy could do something like that at the stadium.


by Brad G on Thu Aug 07, 2008 at 10:04:23 PM EST
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Re: Jess (none / 0)

It's not clear how well Teddie will be at that point. That's why he taped a video for the convention some weeks ago.  And I'm sure that will bring the house down.


We care about politics because we know politics matters for people's lives and opportunities.
by politicsmatters on Thu Aug 07, 2008 at 10:18:42 PM EST
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Re: Bill Clinton to Speak at DNC Convention (2.00 / 1)

Then don't call it a "cave-in"...

Get out and about on the internet and sophisticate yourself.  No one is going to do it for you.


Like the nominee, don't like the nominee... Our nominee is still better than John McCain...
by JenKinFLA on Thu Aug 07, 2008 at 08:37:28 PM EST
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Re: Bill Clinton to Speak at DNC Convention (none / 0)

politicslave utilized the term 'cave-in'...I then responded with that term...

I stated Obama caved...and he did.


by Liberty on Thu Aug 07, 2008 at 08:43:37 PM EST
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Re: Bill Clinton to Speak at DNC Convention (none / 0)

Ummmm.... not he didn't.

He didn't cave because he never said that B.C. did not have a place in the convention.

Unless you can prove otherwise, which you stated you couldn't for WHATEVER reason.  


Like the nominee, don't like the nominee... Our nominee is still better than John McCain...
by JenKinFLA on Thu Aug 07, 2008 at 08:47:03 PM EST
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Re: Bill Clinton to Speak at DNC Convention (none / 0)

Uh huh, yes....

TO WHAT?!


We should be able to deliver bottled hot water to dehydrated babies.
by Jess81 on Thu Aug 07, 2008 at 08:48:04 PM EST
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Re: Bill Clinton to Speak at DNC Convention (2.00 / 2)

It is good for you to admit that.  Thanks.


We care about politics because we know politics matters for people's lives and opportunities.
by politicsmatters on Thu Aug 07, 2008 at 08:38:09 PM EST
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Re: Bill Clinton to Speak at DNC Convention (none / 0)

Unsophisticated individuals such as myself, polically or otherwise, are incapable of providing hard evidence to the cave-in....

Suggestion without proof don't make the statement. If an opinion say so. Now your opinion may be ignore, but at least you are being intellectually honest.


Faced with the choice between changing one's mind and proving that there is no need to do so, almost everyone gets busy on the proof.
by jsfox on Thu Aug 07, 2008 at 08:42:55 PM EST
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Re: Bill Clinton to Speak at DNC Convention (none / 0)

We noticed.


by niksder on Thu Aug 07, 2008 at 09:48:49 PM EST
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Re: Bill Clinton to Speak at DNC Convention (none / 0)

Hater...


A useless "Community Organizer" from Pennsylvania as noted by Republicans, Rudy Giuliani and Sarah Palin
by hootie4170 on Thu Aug 07, 2008 at 10:24:13 PM EST
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Re: Bill Clinton to Speak at DNC Convention (none / 0)

You're not "most people".


by LakersFan on Thu Aug 07, 2008 at 08:53:20 PM EST
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Obama chooses who speaks and he gave the Clinton's (none / 0)

two nights. So, obviously he and his team thought that enough Americans do care if the Clinton's speak. You obviously don't know what you're talking about.

But it won't matter. If Hillary isn't VP then Obama can be defeated in this HUGE Democratic year. It would be a profound defeat. I'll vote for him regardless but it won't be an enthusiastic vote.


by mmorang on Thu Aug 07, 2008 at 10:31:35 PM EST
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Re: Bill Clinton to Speak at DNC Convention (2.00 / 2)

I don't understand why you would think that. It's excellent news for the Democratic party and for our common task of taking back the White House for the American people.


We care about politics because we know politics matters for people's lives and opportunities.
by politicsmatters on Thu Aug 07, 2008 at 08:21:17 PM EST
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Re: Bill Clinton to Speak at DNC Convention (2.00 / 3)

I don't think Brazille and company are focused on ANYTHING other than electing a Democrat to the White House and increasing Democratic majorities in Congress...

Which should be our focus as well.

Let the drama kings and queens in the media worry about everything else.


Like the nominee, don't like the nominee... Our nominee is still better than John McCain...
by JenKinFLA on Thu Aug 07, 2008 at 08:22:51 PM EST
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Re: Bill Clinton to Speak at DNC Convention (none / 0)

It's Brazile, and why?


by niksder on Thu Aug 07, 2008 at 09:46:47 PM EST
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Re: Bill Clinton to Speak at DNC Convention (2.00 / 1)

Maybe you should stop using Crystal!


"In the primary you should vote with your heart, but in the general, you should vote with your head" Hillary's husband
by venician on Thu Aug 07, 2008 at 08:18:03 PM EST
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Re: Bill Clinton to Speak at DNC Convention (none / 0)

Geeze...heads are exploding tonight......


by Liberty on Thu Aug 07, 2008 at 08:21:10 PM EST
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And you expected? (2.00 / 1)

Well when you make a statement with no proof to back it about Dean and Brazile. People who use their heads for something other than a hat rack tend to get incredulous.


Faced with the choice between changing one's mind and proving that there is no need to do so, almost everyone gets busy on the proof.
by jsfox on Thu Aug 07, 2008 at 08:33:48 PM EST
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Re: And you expected? (none / 0)

My cerebral membrane functions quite nicely, thank you...


by Liberty on Thu Aug 07, 2008 at 08:35:52 PM EST
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Re: And you expected? (none / 0)

It's good to see that the ultra-thin tissue protecting your brain is functioning well.

By the way, "insane in the membrane" is only a figure of speech.


We should be able to deliver bottled hot water to dehydrated babies.
by Jess81 on Thu Aug 07, 2008 at 08:41:37 PM EST
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Re: And you expected? (2.00 / 1)

Your comments in this diary alone suggest otherwise..

They suggest that you are quite prone to suggestion... such as the suggestion that Pelosi, Dean, and Brazille are big bad people...  They aren't.  They are Democrats.  

You should try being one sometime.  It is a kick.  Especially since the Republicans are completely devoid of answers at this point.


Like the nominee, don't like the nominee... Our nominee is still better than John McCain...
by JenKinFLA on Thu Aug 07, 2008 at 08:42:03 PM EST
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Re: And you expected? (none / 0)

I never stated that Brazille, Dr. Dean, and Pelosi were bad people. Now, we can just agree to disagree. You have your beliefs, perceptions, facts ...and I have mine.


by Liberty on Thu Aug 07, 2008 at 08:47:11 PM EST
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Re: And you expected? (none / 0)

That you do.  They're all yours.


We should be able to deliver bottled hot water to dehydrated babies.
by Jess81 on Thu Aug 07, 2008 at 08:48:51 PM EST
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Re: And you expected? (none / 0)

Donna Brazille, Howard Dean, and Nancy Peolsi are committed to electing a Democrat to the White House.

Your commitment seems to be to something else.


Like the nominee, don't like the nominee... Our nominee is still better than John McCain...
by JenKinFLA on Thu Aug 07, 2008 at 08:57:23 PM EST
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Re: And you expected? (none / 0)

You are not going to intimidate me with that type of commentary. I stated an opinion and I stand by it.


by Liberty on Thu Aug 07, 2008 at 09:05:49 PM EST
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Re: And you expected? (none / 0)

That's fine.  It happened to be completely fact-free, and most of us stand by our assessment that it's kind of extremely fucking weird.


We should be able to deliver bottled hot water to dehydrated babies.
by Jess81 on Thu Aug 07, 2008 at 09:42:59 PM EST
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Re: And you expected? (none / 0)

It's funny that I can remember how hard many Clinton supporters had to remind you that the Clintons were and still are Democrats. So, I'll let you defend Pelosi et al., for I can care less about them after the harsh treatment that Hillary and Bill had to endure from them.

30 years old...and still for Clinton


by Check077 on Thu Aug 07, 2008 at 09:10:10 PM EST
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Re: And you expected? (none / 0)

Thanks you for your permission.

Wait, what are we supposed to be defending Nancy Pelosi from again?


We should be able to deliver bottled hot water to dehydrated babies.
by Jess81 on Thu Aug 07, 2008 at 09:43:51 PM EST
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Re: And you expected? (none / 0)

No one, repeat no one had to remind me that the Clintons are Democrats.


Like the nominee, don't like the nominee... Our nominee is still better than John McCain...
by JenKinFLA on Sat Aug 09, 2008 at 01:47:02 PM EST
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Brazille is a great Democrat BUT..... (none / 0)

she did join in and pretend to be offended at the utterly innofensive comment Bill Clinton made and said she would leave the Democratic party if the super delegates "over-turned" the will of the people, i.e. didn't vote for Obama. She did all of this while maintaining that she didn't have a dog in the race (beyond laughable), kind of like Rachel Maddow.

That's fine, life goes on. I like Dean and Pelosi and Brazille but...Dean screwed up the primaries. Pelosi is head of a House that is as popular as std's and Brazille is Brazille.


by mmorang on Thu Aug 07, 2008 at 10:40:02 PM EST
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Re: Brazille is a great Democrat BUT..... (none / 0)

Actually that's not what she said: she said she would quit as a superdelegate if "799 of my colleages decide this election".  The subject was the number of superdelegates who were endorsing with the majority of the country yet to vote.

The next day on the same show she clarified that what she meant was that she would resign if they picked a nominee before the voting was done.

Regardless, neither scenario happened.  Since you're in touch with different people than I am, can you satisfy my curiousity and tell me the reasoning behind the "and when is Donna Brazile going to quit like she promised?" comments I keep seeing?


We should be able to deliver bottled hot water to dehydrated babies.
by Jess81 on Thu Aug 07, 2008 at 10:44:04 PM EST
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Brazille is a great Democrat BUT..... (none / 0)

she did join in and pretend to be offended at the utterly innofensive comment Bill Clinton made and said she would leave the Democratic party if the super delegates "over-turned" the will of the people, i.e. didn't vote for Obama. She did all of this while maintaining that she didn't have a dog in the race (beyond laughable), kind of like Rachel Maddow.

That's fine, life goes on. I like Dean and Pelosi and Brazille but...Dean screwed up the primaries. Pelosi is head of a House that is as popular as std's and Brazille is Brazille.


by mmorang on Thu Aug 07, 2008 at 10:40:03 PM EST
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Don't be surprised! (none / 0)

Nancy will be the first to be kicked out of her leadership role in the next congress. After her last two years of non leadership she needs to be pushed out. We need real leaders not obama cronies.


You may not agree with What I say but don't forget I am a Democrat
by indydem99 on Fri Aug 08, 2008 at 05:33:35 AM EST
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or... (none / 0)

maybe it is further proof that Sen. Obama wants to unify the party and is a gracious person.


by Liberal Monk on Thu Aug 07, 2008 at 08:29:12 PM EST
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Re: or... (2.00 / 2)

That's why they call him No Drama Obama!


We care about politics because we know politics matters for people's lives and opportunities.
by politicsmatters on Thu Aug 07, 2008 at 08:47:53 PM EST
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Re: Bill Clinton to Speak at DNC Convention (none / 0)

Biggest non-sequitor of the week.


We should be able to deliver bottled hot water to dehydrated babies.
by Jess81 on Thu Aug 07, 2008 at 08:30:33 PM EST
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Re: Bill Clinton to Speak at DNC Convention (2.00 / 2)

Donna's not mad.  She's just happy she got through a Primary season not being replaced or fired from a campaign after playing dirty politics.


He that lives upon hope, will die fasting. -Ben Franklin
by TxDem08 on Thu Aug 07, 2008 at 08:43:03 PM EST
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Re: Bill Clinton to Speak at DNC Convention (none / 0)

What campaign did she work for? Last time I checked she spent the primary season on the sideline as a CNN commentator.


Faced with the choice between changing one's mind and proving that there is no need to do so, almost everyone gets busy on the proof.
by jsfox on Thu Aug 07, 2008 at 08:51:30 PM EST
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Re: Bill Clinton to Speak at DNC Convention (none / 0)

Come on.  We all know Donna was totally in the BO camp.  It was a joke that she got on CNN as if she was not for either candidate.  She has to be one of the biggest Hacks in our party.

After what she did with Gore's campaign she should have been removed form democratic party leadership for life.

david


by giusd on Thu Aug 07, 2008 at 09:56:29 PM EST
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Re: Bill Clinton to Speak at DNC Convention (none / 0)

Yeah, DB was the only DNC member to play favorites.  Give me a break.  Howard Ickes & Tina Flournay played favorites too.  Regardless, DB is an asset to the Democratic Party.


A useless "Community Organizer" from Pennsylvania as noted by Republicans, Rudy Giuliani and Sarah Palin
by hootie4170 on Thu Aug 07, 2008 at 10:31:43 PM EST
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Re: Bill Clinton to Speak at DNC Convention (none / 0)

Gore won, you know.


We should be able to deliver bottled hot water to dehydrated babies.
by Jess81 on Thu Aug 07, 2008 at 10:37:27 PM EST
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We wouldn't be in Iraq if Gore won and we probably (none / 0)

wouldn't have been sucessfully attacked by a few wack-jobs in a plane either. Gore won the popular vote and the electoral college but he didn't win the presidency. The election should not have been close enough for the human-mistake to steal it.


by mmorang on Thu Aug 07, 2008 at 10:55:35 PM EST
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Re: We wouldn't be in Iraq if Gore won (none / 0)

True, but you can't blame Katherine Harris on Donna Brazile.  And as far as how close the election was, you can't blame Dana Milbank, Gore's ridiculous debate performances, and Joe Lieberman on her either.

Speaking of which, this past year Susan Estrich was on Fox, claiming to be a liberal and to be uncommitted in the Democratic Primary.  She was neither.  And if you're talking about botched campaigns, I don't think you're going to find a better villain than the person who ran Michael Dukakis into the ground in 1988.

My point is that the venom directed at Donna Brazile is unlike anything I've ever seen in politics, and frankly, it's unbelievably ugly.  The woman gets death threats every day of her life now.  It's so bad that even if I didn't like her (and I do, more or less), I would back off because of the level of hatred already directed at her.


We should be able to deliver bottled hot water to dehydrated babies.
by Jess81 on Thu Aug 07, 2008 at 11:04:25 PM EST
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Re: We wouldn't be in Iraq if Gore won (none / 0)

That's funny that you mention the Dukakis campaign...guess where Donna was working at the time?


He that lives upon hope, will die fasting. -Ben Franklin
by TxDem08 on Fri Aug 08, 2008 at 01:27:23 AM EST
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Re: Bill Clinton to Speak at DNC Convention (none / 0)

Oi.  I guess you guys think Donna just served in the Clinton admin and for Gore right?

You should check her bio out.  She was thrown off/fired or replaced by every campaign she ever worked on before Gore.

And I was referencing her firing/resignation when she attempted to leak/push stories of Bush 41 infidelity and racism during Dukakis' campaign.  She got canned within the week.

This time it worked much better for her.  Got to be on the sidelines thowing bombs, and sticking knives from the inside.  The Donna Brazile we know and love.


He that lives upon hope, will die fasting. -Ben Franklin
by TxDem08 on Fri Aug 08, 2008 at 01:21:27 AM EST
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The Obama Campaign.... (2.00 / 1)

...should have been in front of this in the first place. The "we don't need you" attitude only hurts Obama.


by soyousay on Thu Aug 07, 2008 at 08:02:20 PM EST

Re: The Obama Campaign.... (2.00 / 1)

Can you possibly offer up some proof that these discussions haven't been on going. You nor I know what has been on going  between the two camps.

Rather than always having your glass half empty try half full.


Faced with the choice between changing one's mind and proving that there is no need to do so, almost everyone gets busy on the proof.
by jsfox on Thu Aug 07, 2008 at 08:15:39 PM EST
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any pretext to hate on Obama will do (2.00 / 2)

that's all soyousay cares about.


by JJE on Thu Aug 07, 2008 at 08:17:00 PM EST
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Re: any pretext to hate on Obama will do (none / 0)

ssssh don't ask any questions or else!


by hocuspocus on Thu Aug 07, 2008 at 08:21:44 PM EST
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someone asked a question? (none / 0)

I don't see one.


by JJE on Thu Aug 07, 2008 at 09:54:46 PM EST
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Re: The Obama Campaign.... (2.00 / 2)

he may have been referring to all the stupidity and vitriol expended on the Clinton's here and the dkos hate-site and the very apparent and blatant attitude coming from his (alleged) supporters here and on other blogs that evidenced that attitude. rather then always make ASSumptions based on your lack of insight, try considering before you post.


by zerosumgame on Thu Aug 07, 2008 at 08:40:07 PM EST
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Re: The Obama Campaign.... (none / 0)

Oh for crying out freakin' loud...

If you base your opinion about a candidate on what anonymous bloggers say on blogs, then I fear all hope is lost for you.


Like the nominee, don't like the nominee... Our nominee is still better than John McCain...
by JenKinFLA on Thu Aug 07, 2008 at 08:44:08 PM EST
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Re: The Obama Campaign.... (2.00 / 1)

thanks for your lack of reading comprehension. I was clearly referring to what the other poster MAY have been referring to, not my own feelings. But if in fact he knew it was happening and failed to address it then as the inspiration of so much of it it does bear on him at least in part.


by zerosumgame on Thu Aug 07, 2008 at 08:53:37 PM EST
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Re: The Obama Campaign.... (none / 0)


We should be able to deliver bottled hot water to dehydrated babies.
by Jess81 on Thu Aug 07, 2008 at 08:56:46 PM EST
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Re: The Obama Campaign.... (2.00 / 1)

yes reading is so old fashioned...


by zerosumgame on Thu Aug 07, 2008 at 08:59:26 PM EST
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Re: The Obama Campaign.... (none / 0)

No...  you were interpreting what the other poster may have been referring to...  in YOUR own words... therefore they were your feelings to some extent.


Like the nominee, don't like the nominee... Our nominee is still better than John McCain...
by JenKinFLA on Thu Aug 07, 2008 at 08:59:29 PM EST
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Re: The Obama Campaign.... (none / 0)

He has good insight.


by soyousay on Thu Aug 07, 2008 at 10:33:17 PM EST
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Re: The Obama Campaign.... (none / 0)

You have great insight. It's the whole package; the "it's our party now" attitude.


by soyousay on Thu Aug 07, 2008 at 10:19:06 PM EST
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Re: The Obama Campaign.... (none / 0)

It is our party...You can continue to live in the past, kickin and screamin about the Clintons.  I have said, and I will repeat, the Big Dog and HRC are true champions of our party but now is the time to rally around Obama and ensure a better future for us and our children.

HRC has become her own legacy and for the most part is more important to this year's election than Bill is.  She is the one we should be listening to and following her lead.

As for Bill being offered a important slot in the Dem Convention, you bitch because Obama offered and you would have bitched if Obama didn't offer him a slot.  Your intentions are clear.


A useless "Community Organizer" from Pennsylvania as noted by Republicans, Rudy Giuliani and Sarah Palin
by hootie4170 on Thu Aug 07, 2008 at 10:42:27 PM EST
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You must be living in the past too (none / 0)

the Big Dog and HRC are true champions

 Wow, Obama and friends have finally come to their senses. Maybe if you and others were able to show some respect toward the Clintons and Clinton supporters in the first place Obama would now be further along in the polls.

by soyousay on Thu Aug 07, 2008 at 10:53:53 PM EST
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Re: You must be living in the past too (2.00 / 1)

Virtually all Clinton supporters are Obama supporters (and vice versa, by the way).  The ones that aren't are in the process of tossing her in front of the nearest oncoming train.

You can show respect for one or the other, but not both.  Guess which one we're going to choose?


We should be able to deliver bottled hot water to dehydrated babies.
by Jess81 on Thu Aug 07, 2008 at 10:56:27 PM EST
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oh lord it's hard to be humble (none / 0)

You're not as smart as I thought. Being inclusive is a way to show respect. Up until now, Obama decided not to do that. Now he's forced to be humble and become inclusive toward the Clintons. It's a learning process for Obama.


by soyousay on Thu Aug 07, 2008 at 11:05:34 PM EST
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Re: oh lord it's hard to be humble (none / 0)

We like Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama.  Or at least I do, but I say we because I know I speak for a pretty big subset of the people you're wagging your finger at.


We should be able to deliver bottled hot water to dehydrated babies.
by Jess81 on Fri Aug 08, 2008 at 06:39:03 PM EST
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Re: You must be living in the past too (none / 0)

And what about reciprocation?  Where or when have you given any type of kind words toward Obama and his supporters?  Respect is a two-way street...You gotta give it, to get it...


A useless "Community Organizer" from Pennsylvania as noted by Republicans, Rudy Giuliani and Sarah Palin
by hootie4170 on Thu Aug 07, 2008 at 11:07:34 PM EST
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The reason; (none / 0)

Any dissent leads to troll acusations. There's no way to respectfully disagree when a person is accused of being a troll.


by soyousay on Thu Aug 07, 2008 at 11:26:41 PM EST
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Re: Bill Clinton to Speak at DNC Convention (none / 0)

Today..at least in the on-line media and on the ABC News we just watched...

it is being reported that Clinton wants her delegates "heard". Don't know what this means.
(Perhaps much ado about nothing)

As our President...and leader of their Party it is the last thing the GOP needs to have him in MPLS...

Having a charismatic..popular.. former Democratic President speaking at our Convention will be a positive reminder to many..and part of the "Fire UP!" we will need for victory...


"harlequin speech of suicide, demanding instantaneous lobotomy"
by nogo postal on Thu Aug 07, 2008 at 08:03:20 PM EST

Re: Bill Clinton to Speak at DNC Convention (none / 0)

Having a charismatic..popular.. former Democratic President speaking at our Convention will be a positive reminder to many
It will also give Clinton the respect that he deserves in the Democratic party, especially after false accusations of racism.

Many of you don't realize what Clinton has done for the party and what he's done for many in the party...Take Al Gore for example; he wouldn't be what he is today without the help of Clinton.


by soyousay on Thu Aug 07, 2008 at 10:41:33 PM EST
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Re: Bill Clinton to Speak at DNC Convention (2.00 / 2)

Bill Clinton gave a GREAT speech for Kerry in 2004 and I'm sure he'll do the same for Obama.


We care about politics because we know politics matters for people's lives and opportunities.
by politicsmatters on Thu Aug 07, 2008 at 08:04:59 PM EST

Re: Bill Clinton to Speak at DNC Convention (2.00 / 1)

Okay, all nutty-ass PUMA types, check in NOW!


by Johnny Gentle Famous Crooner on Thu Aug 07, 2008 at 08:05:14 PM EST

all 404? (none / 0)

How Big Is PUMA Now?

07 Aug 2008 05:01 pm
http://marcambinder.theatlantic.com/arch ives/2008/08/how_big_is_puma_now.php
One delegate's view:

   I'm a DNC pledged delegate for Obama. Your recent PUMA PAC musings piqued my interest, if only because I do sort of have a metric on how big the PUMA people are as a movement. About a month ago I woke up and took a look at my e-mail and instead of seeing few new e-mails in the morning I saw more than three hundred.

   PUMA released the e-mail addresses of the delegates to their supporters and asked them to e-mail us with a form letter. I'm sure you've seen the letter (if not, it's pasted in below), but since I set up a filter to direct every e-mail with "PUMA" in it to a folder on my Outlook, I can tell you that about a month after their letter-writing campaign began (I don't get many more these days), I received a total of 404 messages.

   Given that their entire raison d'etre is getting delegates to vote otherwise, this makes me think the PUMA movement is actually quite small, even if it is quite good at getting press. PUMA will surely stage something at the convention, but if they can only get 404 people to send e-mails, I'm not sure how many they can get to fly to Denver and make an impressive scene.


We care about politics because we know politics matters for people's lives and opportunities.
by politicsmatters on Thu Aug 07, 2008 at 08:10:28 PM EST
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Re: all 404? (none / 0)

They may be small in numbers but they're highly trained.

Didn't you see 300?  Think about it.


We should be able to deliver bottled hot water to dehydrated babies.
by Jess81 on Thu Aug 07, 2008 at 08:38:58 PM EST
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Re: all 404? (none / 0)

LOL


Faced with the choice between changing one's mind and proving that there is no need to do so, almost everyone gets busy on the proof.
by jsfox on Thu Aug 07, 2008 at 09:09:09 PM EST
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Re: all 404? (none / 0)

Hell alegre could get 50 rec's for one of her diaries within ten minutes..


"harlequin speech of suicide, demanding instantaneous lobotomy"
by nogo postal on Thu Aug 07, 2008 at 10:15:21 PM EST
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Re: all 404? (none / 0)

Oh, yes, they are highly organized, those 404.


We care about politics because we know politics matters for people's lives and opportunities.
by politicsmatters on Thu Aug 07, 2008 at 10:21:00 PM EST
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Re: all 404? (none / 0)

That's what I'm talking about.  They work the rec list and fill up Donna Brazile's inbox with insane ramblings like FREAKING ROBOT NINJAS!


We should be able to deliver bottled hot water to dehydrated babies.
by Jess81 on Fri Aug 08, 2008 at 06:41:13 PM EST
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Re: Bill Clinton to Speak at DNC Convention (2.00 / 2)

I thought Bill Clinton gave the best speech at the 2004 convention.  I actually didn't know there was any doubt about whether he'd be speaking at this one, I took it as a given.

I hope we will get the chance to hear from Jimmy Carter as well.


"Another problem we have...is that in election years we behave somewhat as primitive peoples do at the time of the full moon." --Harry Truman
by Steve M on Thu Aug 07, 2008 at 08:07:05 PM EST

Re: Bill Clinton to Speak at DNC Convention (2.00 / 2)

Jimmy Carter !!!!

Please No...


Educated in a small town Taught to fear Jesus in a small town Used to daydream in that small town Another born romantic that's me.
by lori on Thu Aug 07, 2008 at 08:10:54 PM EST
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Re: Bill Clinton to Speak at DNC Convention (none / 0)

Lori, we just want Dixie to have some more representation!!!  Would you prefer Zell Miller?


"Another problem we have...is that in election years we behave somewhat as primitive peoples do at the time of the full moon." --Harry Truman
by Steve M on Thu Aug 07, 2008 at 08:19:16 PM EST
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Re: Bill Clinton to Speak at DNC Convention (none / 0)

There's no way you keep the ONLY other living Democratic president off the stage. That would be awful.

But as for another Southerner, it would be cool to have Fritz Hollings speak if he wanted to.


by Johnny Gentle Famous Crooner on Thu Aug 07, 2008 at 08:21:51 PM EST
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Re: Bill Clinton to Speak at DNC Convention (none / 0)

Hey the Big Dog would shut it down for dixie , thats enough .

Carter is like the cousin who would always find a way to crash the get together even if he would spoil the show.


Educated in a small town Taught to fear Jesus in a small town Used to daydream in that small town Another born romantic that's me.
by lori on Thu Aug 07, 2008 at 08:28:15 PM EST
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Re: Bill Clinton to Speak at DNC Convention (2.00 / 1)

How about Al Gore?  Is Tennessee prepared to claim its native son?  I'd sure like to hear from him at the convention.

It's kinda neat to think about the Democratic convention having an all-star lineup that includes both Clintons, Al Gore, and of course "the biggest celebrity in the world"... while the Republican convention is like Tim Pawlenty introducing John McCain to an empty hall while Newt Gingrich desperately mugs for camera time.


"Another problem we have...is that in election years we behave somewhat as primitive peoples do at the time of the full moon." --Harry Truman
by Steve M on Thu Aug 07, 2008 at 08:35:15 PM EST
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Re: Bill Clinton to Speak at DNC Convention (2.00 / 1)

You know I don't mind Gore as long as he can keep it under 10 mins .

The guy just rambles on and on ....

Clinton talks a lot but he keeps you wrapped in what he is saying , after about 10 mins Gore can't hold my attention.

You know the star power would be unbeatable


Educated in a small town Taught to fear Jesus in a small town Used to daydream in that small town Another born romantic that's me.
by lori on Thu Aug 07, 2008 at 08:52:58 PM EST
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Re: Bill Clinton to Speak at DNC Convention (none / 0)

I would love to see both Big BIll and Gore to speak at the convention.

david


by giusd on Thu Aug 07, 2008 at 09:59:19 PM EST
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Re: Bill Clinton to Speak at DNC Convention (none / 0)

Whatever happened to Zell Miller anyway .

Last i heard from him he was trying to get into a fist fight with Chris Matthews .

Which would have been fun to watch . Someone needs to knock some sense into both characters.

I suspect Joe Lieberman would play the role of Zell Miller at the RNC this year .

And maybe Chuck Hagel would speak at the democratic convention... .


Educated in a small town Taught to fear Jesus in a small town Used to daydream in that small town Another born romantic that's me.
by lori on Thu Aug 07, 2008 at 08:36:00 PM EST
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Re: Bill Clinton to Speak at DNC Convention (none / 0)

It's pretty funny to think about Joe Lieberman trying to deliver an old-school stemwinder like Zell Miller did.  They'd have to pass out No-Doz.


"Another problem we have...is that in election years we behave somewhat as primitive peoples do at the time of the full moon." --Harry Truman
by Steve M on Thu Aug 07, 2008 at 08:41:51 PM EST
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Re: Bill Clinton to Speak at DNC Convention (none / 0)

He sure would put the 15 people at the convention  to sleep.. ...

I hope he doesn't go after Obama , I don't mind him talking about Mccain and extolling his friend .

I have nothing against him and would rather not see him go the way of Zell Miller .

That guy practically destroyed John Kerry and the funny thing was the old time dems in Tennessee actually agreed with him on Kerry.  


Educated in a small town Taught to fear Jesus in a small town Used to daydream in that small town Another born romantic that's me.
by lori on Thu Aug 07, 2008 at 08:46:25 PM EST
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Re: Bill Clinton to Speak at DNC Convention (none / 0)

I have a lot against Lieberman going to the DEMOCRATIC convention and extolling the "virtues" of the REPUBLICAN candidate..

I'm squeamish that way.


Like the nominee, don't like the nominee... Our nominee is still better than John McCain...
by JenKinFLA on Thu Aug 07, 2008 at 09:01:46 PM EST
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Re: Bill Clinton to Speak at DNC Convention (none / 0)

Well, Zell Miller definitely speaks for a constituency, at least south of the Mason-Dixon line.  Still, I know an awful lot of folks down in Georgia who are like "I really liked him as governor, what the heck happened to him??"

The funny thing about his 2004 convention speech - which I agree was effective, certainly - is that all those defense cuts that supposedly showed Kerry was incapable of defending the country were recommended at the time by Defense Secretary Dick Cheney.  But of course, no one ever heard that fact from the hapless Kerry campaign, they were too busy proving he knew how to duck hunt.


"Another problem we have...is that in election years we behave somewhat as primitive peoples do at the time of the full moon." --Harry Truman
by Steve M on Thu Aug 07, 2008 at 09:40:36 PM EST
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Re: Bill Clinton to Speak at DNC Convention (none / 0)

Seriously, Zell Miller cost us in 2004.  I dont know how much but it he has people who listen to him (i dont know why) as we lost votes in states like OH and FL because of him.

david


by giusd on Thu Aug 07, 2008 at 10:01:09 PM EST
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Re: Bill Clinton to Speak at DNC Convention (none / 0)

Zell's on the board of directors at the NRA...go figure!


by alamedadem on Thu Aug 07, 2008 at 11:17:33 PM EST
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Re: Bill Clinton to Speak at DNC Convention (none / 0)

Yea..Carter was such an idiot with his energy policy and putting solar panels on the White House.
(That Reagan removed)..and we sure don't want a former Democratic Peace Prize winner.
(Keep Gore away too..along with the Peace Prize he won one of those Hollywood commie awards)
"harlequin speech of suicide, demanding instantaneous lobotomy"
by nogo postal on Thu Aug 07, 2008 at 10:18:32 PM EST
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Re: Bill Clinton to Speak at DNC Convention (none / 0)

I said if both Clinton's went away and became eskimo's in Iceland and were never heard from again, they would still be talked about in the news.


Educated in a small town Taught to fear Jesus in a small town Used to daydream in that small town Another born romantic that's me.
by lori on Thu Aug 07, 2008 at 08:09:23 PM EST

Re: Bill Clinton to Speak at DNC Convention (1.00 / 0)

Maybe Bill will give another 45 minute nominating speech like he did in 1988!


by alamedadem on Thu Aug 07, 2008 at 08:18:25 PM EST

I'm ready to forget everything that (none / 0)

happened in the primary if Bill comes through here.


by Geekesque on Thu Aug 07, 2008 at 08:24:39 PM EST

Re: I'm ready to forget everything that (none / 0)

I'm thrilled with the news!!  


We care about politics because we know politics matters for people's lives and opportunities.
by politicsmatters on Thu Aug 07, 2008 at 08:28:22 PM EST
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Eh. Who gives a sh!t (none / 0)

what I think though?  I hope Bill doesn't.


by Geekesque on Thu Aug 07, 2008 at 10:51:46 PM EST
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I don't care how this may look???? (none / 0)

please elaborate.

also i see the PUMA trolls and the ABC trolls are infesting this diary.  feh.


"Me Fail English? That's Unpossible." Ralph Wiggum
by canadian gal on Thu Aug 07, 2008 at 08:30:27 PM EST

Re: I don't care how this may look???? (2.00 / 1)

they always do


by zerosumgame on Thu Aug 07, 2008 at 08:41:54 PM EST
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Re: I don't care how this may look???? (none / 0)

Ahem...


A useless "Community Organizer" from Pennsylvania as noted by Republicans, Rudy Giuliani and